An Exchange on Seeking Wealth in Masonry

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Since the day I published Freemasonry: A Critical Look on Facebook, my page has been spammed by several Illuminati recruiters (more like scammers) appealing to people to join the Illuminati brotherhood with promises of great wealth and power.

I’ve also received several feedback from guys asking how they can join Masonry. Apparently, many of them at a first glance, thought the article was pro-Masonry. They didn’t bother reading it entirely before asking me how to join.

The following exchange is an example. The young guy (I’d call him Shaka), from South Africa, persistently messaged me to tell him how he could become a part of the Order of DeMolay. His words appear in blue.

To join Masonry I must be at least 21 of age?

I need to ask, why are you so obsessed with Masonry? Are you a Christian?

Yes I’m a Christian I was raised that way. But since I’m old now I’d love to join Masonry.

Why do you wish to join Masonry? Have you been saved by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ? Are you filled with the Holy Spirit? Do you study the Word of God or you’re experiencing a crisis in your Christian walk?

I ask these questions because there are many people who were raised Christian but have never had a personal relationship with God. They only follow the forms and liturgy of a denomination but have never experienced the life transforming power of the Holy Spirit.

There’s no way you would have a sound relationship with God, an understanding of Christian doctrine and live in the practical reality of the Faith and want to join Masonry.

I’d love to join masonry for empowerment, to uplift my life, and to live a better life. Also I’d love to learn about all the rituals and spells they perform for their goals/aim. We aIl love God, but sometimes I feel like, I need to do better than what I know.

What manner of “empowerment” do you seek in Masonry that you can’t find in Christ Jesus?

What “upliftment” do you desire other than the one that God the Father has given us, raising us up to sit in heavenly places above all principalities and powers? (Eph. 2:6).

What “better life” do you seek outside the forgiveness and eternal life offered by Jesus? (Jn. 5:24)

Why would any child of God be fascinated by occult spells and rituals which God has clearly denounced in His Word? (Deut. 18:19-12; Gal. 5:19-21). That was why I asked you those questions to probe where you stand and your answers were revealing.

You can’t know God as a Christian, and follow the way of Christ and want to learn “the ways of the heathen.” It’s like professing faith in the Lamb while pledging allegiance to the dragon.

If you have the Spirit of God living in you, your life will show forth the fruit of that relationship and you won’t be wondering what you need to be doing, because we don’t need any rite, any spell, any cult or esoteric teachings to reveal to us what we are to do in pleasing God.

Through the blood of Christ, we have peace with God (Romans 5:1) and there’s no religion or philosophy in this world that offers such peace. Jesus is the only way, truth and life.

Again, do you know the real identity of the god worshipped in Masonry? I will provide some quotes for you. Albert Mackey, one of the “modern” fathers of Masonry said:

“Be assured … that God is equally present with the pious Hindu in the temple, the Jew in the synagogue, the Mohammedan in the mosque, and the Christian in the church.” (Mackey, Albert, Mackey’s Revised Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, pp. 409-410).

This is a theological framework that accommodates all kinds of gods and lords in a syncretic adoration. Henry W. Coil, the most highly regarded Masonic scholar states:

“The Masonic test is a Supreme Being and any qualification added is an innovation… Monotheism has been espoused as the sole religious dogma of Freemasonry by some authors …This obviously violates Masonic principles, for it requires belief in a specific kind of supreme deity.” (Coil, Henry Wilson, Coil’s Masonic Encyclopedia, pp. 516-517).

In other words, believing in the one true God is a violation of Masonic principles. A Jewish or Christian Mason cannot tell a satanist that he couldn’t be a Mason because his supreme being, the devil, is not the real God. That violates “Masonic principles.” But what does the Bible say? See Exodus 20:1-2; Isaiah 46:9, Isaiah 45:5; Jeremiah 1:16; 1Cor. 8:5.

The same Coli wrote:

“Men have to decide whether they want a god like the ancient Hebrew Jahweh, a partisan, tribal god, with whom they can talk and argue and from whom they can hide, if necessary, or a boundless, eternal, universal undenominational and international, divine spirit, so vastly removed from the speck called man that he cannot be known. So soon as man begins to laud his god and endow him with the most perfect human attributes such as justice, mercy, beneficence, etc., the divine essence is depreciated and despoiled.” (pp. 516-517).

In plain terms, the actual “God” of Masonry is one that is unknown, one that embraces all deities, but rejects the God of the Bible as partisan and provincial. This is also the impersonal, universal god force of Gnostics and New Agers.

Under the Royal Arch degree (York Rite), a secret mystical word which is said to be the secret name of the god of Freemasonry is revealed to initiates as JAH-BUL-ON.

The High Priest of the Royal Arch says that this is “the divine Logos”, or “Word” referred to in John 1:1-5. This odd name is so “sacred” that it can only be revealed to the Mason in the presence of three Royal Arch Masons while kneeling under a “Royal Arch” formed by their intertwined hands!

But here’s a break down:

JAH (the first syllable) represents the name Yahweh or Jehovah, the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This name appears in the use of the word, Hallelujah, which means “Praise Jah!”

BUL (the second syllable) represents the name Ba’al or Bel. This is the name of the fertility god worshipped with licencious rites and human sacrifice all through the ancient Near East. Baal was the god of Jezebel and Ahab, perhaps the most wicked couple ever to sit on the throne of Israel (I Kings 16:29-33).

ON (the third syllable) represents the name of the Egyptian sun god, Osiris. It is the name of his sacred city, Heliopolis, (city of the sun in Greek) in Egypt (Genesis 41:45, 50).

Here we have a chimeric deity. A deliberately conjured blasphemous trinity. Why a Christian would want to worship a false god because of power, ambition or wisdom beats me unless, he has rejected God to bow to the desires of the god of the world.

Again, In the degree of the Knights of East and West in the Scottish Rite, there is also a “Sacred Word” in the 17° as well. This name is Abaddon (Blanchard, J., Scottish Rite Masonry Illustrated, The Complete Ritual, Ezra Cook Publications, Chicago, 1974, pp. 453-457)

A quick trip to the New Testament will reveal that, according to God’s Word, there is nothing sacred about the name Abaddon. In Revelation 9:11, we are told:

“They [demonic creatures from the abyss] had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon.”

This demon is invoked in satanic rites for destruction, occult warfare and death. Masonry is demon worship. It’s a destructive group. Finally, here is what Albert Pike said:

“Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not! for traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspiration is not of one Age nor one Creed” (Morals and Dogma, p. 321).

If this is what you want to get yourself into after following Jesus, then I must plead with you, flee for your own eternal safety back to the loving arms of the Lord Jesus.

I used to love Jezebel or Lilith…

Let’s see. Jezebel was a tyrant who corrupted her husband, as well as the nation, by promoting pagan worship. Such a wicked idolatrous queen has no appeal to a Christian.

Lilith is also a female demon worshipped in Witchcraft and regarded as the “patroness” of infant destruction, female domination and sexual liberation. Why you would hold these up as figures of endearment reinforces my suspicions about your background.

I believe in man power and free will, I hate being controlled. I believe im my own king!

What do you mean by “man power”? The two female figures you mentioned earlier are icons of female domination and control, so maybe if you can answer the series of questions I asked at the onset, I can figure out whether you’ve ever served King Jesus or you have always followed “king self.”

And no I dont want to be a satanist, I know many and all of them are poor.

That’s interesting, given that Masonry itself is Luciferian. It’s quite revealing too, that the only reason you reject classical Satanism is because many satanists are poor.

Only Masonry are rich, and in control.

Name them. And I will tell you how these Masons are (or were) not in control. Seems you have been fed with the Illuminati “world control” propaganda.

I love jesus Christ but why ain’t we like Abraham?

Because Christians are followers of Christ. We become partakers of the blessings of Abraham through Christ (Gal. 3:14). The physical outworking of these blessings will depend on God’s will for our lives.

Besides, Abraham was tested to yield up the most important thing God promised him: Isaac. What have you yielded up for God?

Is it a good thing for a Christian to be poor and suffer so that we can get to heaven?

Poverty and suffering are not conditions of getting to heaven and I wonder where you got such misinformation from.

I believe God is God of wonders, but sometimes I get tired. I hate being poor and useless.

It depends on which God you have in mind. The God of the Bible is indeed a God of wonders, but He’s also sovereign. He cannot be “forced” or manipulated to do wonders to satiate man’s endless wants. Those who appear to control and compel a god to do their bidding are using demons.

Jesus said: “But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.” (Matt. 6:33).

That’s the way God has arranged it. First, you become a part of His kingdom, then you seek His righteousness, then you are qualified to receive His packages. He doesn’t organize royal banquets for monsters. They first have to be transformed.

The war between God and satan doesnt involve us! But look who are suffering? It’s us!

The cosmos is not a chess game between God and Satan. That is the error of dualism. God created all things, including Lucifer/Satan, and all powers belong to God. Satan was defeated 2,000 years ago by Jesus Christ at Calvary.

Although Jesus didn’t promise us a free ride, we are victorious in Him. “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world” (Jn. 16:33).

And the 10 commandments are hard to follow.

Well, try Satan’s commandments then! The Christian ethic is actually more than the 10 commandments. “This command I am giving you today is not too difficult for you, and it is not beyond your reach.” (Deut. 30:11).

That was what God told the children of Israel, yet we as Christians having the Holy Spirit are in a better position.

Gold and silver is of god. But do we have one? No! Is it a good thing for men to be poor? Earth was given to us, and we are the sons of god just like jesus. Where is our treasure then? In heaven? I dont think so.

This topic of material wealth and the believer demands a separate topic. It’s not something that can be capsulated in sound bytes and short replies. Please read this

I love and believe in Jesus, i wish he can give me what he promised to give me.

There’s a difference between what you think God owes you and what God has really promised to you. The statements you have made previously border on the former. But note this: God doesn’t revolve around us, we revolve around Him.

When I started this blog in 2014, I had nothing. I was poor, unemployed, unhappy and in despair that my post graduate program might not come out good. I remember once telling God to give me a solid reason to live, perhaps I would find the strength to live by it.

But I look back today and I’m grateful that even when I had no friend, no earthly helper, no money and no hope, God changed my story. And He did these while I was standing for Him.

I didn’t demand God blessed me before I served Him in any capacity. The Bible itself furnishes us with many examples of godly men who stood even in the face of death, persecution, apostasy and hardship. Seek first His kingdom, not rituals, not spells, not cult groups.

If i knew the rituals of wealth i would have performed them by now. Ohh and i know about the other gods.

But here you are seeking Masonic rituals for “empowerment” and “uplifting.” If Jesus had bowed and worshipped Satan in exchange for the goods things of this world, where will we be today?

If they are really fake. Then where do they get the power from?

Satan.

And why didn’t jesus send them straight to hell?

Because there is an appointed time for their punishment. God doesn’t send people straight to hell immediately they sin because of His justice, mercy and love.

Some people who are currently in Satan’s service will come to know Christ before it’s too late while some will leave the Christian fold and align themselves with Satan. It’s not over until it’s over.

The DeMolay. What do they really do, and what are the out come/ benefit of being with them?

In answer to your question, I will quote a portion of a book by William Schnoebelen, an ex-32° degree Mason. It’s titled, Masonry Beyond the Light. This is taken from chapter 10, “Kindergartens for Satanism”:

“There is one youth order which stands out above the others in terms of its audacious embrace of evil. That is the DeMolay order for boys. Though all the youth orders share the dangers mentioned above, DeMolays are especially dangerous because they serve as the incubator for future Masons.

Although I never was in the DeMolays, I have a dear friend and colleague in the ministry who was, but is now saved by Jesus. From his personal experience as a member, he has referred to the DeMolays as a “kindergarten for Satanism.”

He believes it was a major stepping stone for him into occultism and witchcraft. It is an especially grisly jest to name the Masonic order for young men after Jacques DeMolay, the last Grand Master of the Templars.

The DeMolay ritual makes a great hero of its namesake. He is held up as a paragon of manly loyalty and virtue. What the order’s ritual does not tell its young charges is that DeMolay was burned at the stake for being a homosexual, a pedophile (lover of young boys), and for practicing witchcraft and worshiping a false god named Baphomet! (See chapter 15 for more on the Templars’ history.)

Naming a boys’ order after DeMolay is like naming a shelter for battered woman after Jack the Ripper, or a home for unwed mothers after serial killer Ted Bundy!

Though the Templars’ history is controversial, DeMolay died cursing those who put him to death—hardly a model of young Christian manhood! Why, with all the great men in western history (including Jesus!), would the Masons pick such a corrupt, controversial and obscene man to be a role model for their young men?

Why not Stephen, the first martyr? Why not Joshua? The answer is because DeMolay is one of the central “idols” of the Freemasonic pantheon, probably second in stature only to Hiram Abiff. The DeMolay ritual prepares the young Mason-to-be for a life of involvement in societies dedicated to the worship of Baphomet!”

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You are indeed the person of truth, I understand you. Were you part of the masonic or any of this?…

No, I wasn’t part of Masonry, but I began researching about it several years ago. I read books authored by researchers and also by those who were formerly members.

Besides, there’s a variant of Masonry called “Ogboni” here in Nigeria which gave me a traditional perspective of the pagan roots of Freemasonry.

 

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On Islam and its Book of Violence

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Premium Times, one of the leading Nigerian media outlets, published a report yesterday titled, Boko Haram, Ten Years On: How hundreds of girls bear brunt of insurgency.

A Muslim named Akeem, in his reaction to the report, trotted out a liberal cop out to Islamic violence which is nothing short of intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice. This comment caught my attention and I responded to it.

Another Muslim, Tajudeen, replied to me, and eventually resorted to attempting to bullying me into a free-for-all debate by boneheadedly “challenging” me to read the Quran.

Of course, over the years, I have developed certain criteria that guide me in who I engage and how I engage them on social media, and the limit to which I invest my time and energy in such pursuits.

I’ve been debating with Muslims online for 8 years now and I can almost predict each encounter. I don’t respond to everyone on every issue. I pick my battles with wisdom.

However, for the purpose of educating our Muslim friends out there, I’ve decided to publish this exchange here.

Let everyone who wishes to know the truth about Islam read the links provided and come to their own conclusions about who between us is presenting the truth or muddying (and denying) the facts.

Akeem’s words will appear in red, Taju’s in blue and mine in black.

The more reason why you need to use your own common senses given freely to you by God to know when you’re being led astray and when you’re on the right path.

Again, the problem with those being misled is that ‘they can’t read, understand nor interpret the Book being quoted for them’, but listen to the ‘words from the evil ones’.

Or could it be that the book itself turns good people into evil ones?

Couldn’t it be that this book is a veritable textbook of hate that robs those who soak it in of their humanity and common sense?

Your argument would have made sense if only Nigeria were plagued with such “misleadings,” but even a 10 year old knows that Islamic insurgency is found everywhere the religion holds sway.

When people from diverse cultures, geographical locations, religious exposures, social strata and political system all subscribe to the same violent ideology, then they are drinking from a common ideological fountain: a religious book of violence.

Have you read the ‘Book’? Can you expressly affirm that those who perpetrate violence are doing so based on the injunctions of the ‘book’?

Yes Tajudeen, I’ve read the Quran for more than a decade now. And I’ve read a number of hadiths. My first exposure to the Quran was in 2002. Frankly, it’s not a book of love, peace or justice.

So it would be very strange if I by now, I still didn’t know what its injunctions are, or whether Muslim jihadists have a credible support from Islam’s texts or not.

Perhaps you need to catch up on your history lessons to rediscover how yet another popular ‘book’ was used to enslave, violate, plunder and totally destroy other races by those claiming to be custodians of the messages of that specific book.

Don’t even try to deviate this issue to the Bible or Vedas or Adi Granth. The Bible or any other religious book beside the Quran is NOT the book being discussed here.

This is the well-worn path of the Muslim once they are backed up into a corner – deflecting to the Bible. They can’t defend their book without attacking another because they feel uncomfortable discussing their own book without running off in tangents. It’s one of the oldest tricks in the Muslim diversionary handbook.

Those who fight jihad read, quote and obey the Quran, not the Bible. They also follow Muhammad’s examples in the hadiths. They don’t follow the Bible or emulate Jesus Christ. Nice try, but I won’t fall for it.

The fact is, humans will always find justification for whatever they do, be it good or evil. And their ‘infallible’ argument will come from whichever ‘book’ they subscribe to.

Not in the case of Muslims who take their ideology from the Quran. That’s why you can prattle that “misinterpreted” line from here to Ceylon, it won’t fly because you have a religious figure – Muhammad – whose actions constitute your ethos and ethics.

He is your perfect example (uswa hasana) and you are expected to be violent as he was violent, fight as he fought his enemies, treat your wives as he treated his women, take people as slaves as he enslaved people, and by the “perfect legacy” he laid down for you to gain Allah’s approval, all his other heinous sins, practices and misguided worldview have become legally enshrined in your religious dogma.

That’s far off the bat from a person who seizes on certain Bible verses to approve of war, slavery or rape. These are opposed to the teaching and spirit of Christ. The Muslim who emulates Muhammad is the true Muslim and a Christian who doesn’t live as Christ lived is not of Christ. It’s as simple as that.

But before you go tripping with baseless conjectures and flaunting ignorance, Google the said ‘book.’ The English or Yoruba translations should be accessible to you.

In the Muslim mind, there’s no way you would read their Quran and not bow to Allah in adoration. To them, anyone who disagrees with Islam and its book must be labouring under baseless conjectures and ignorance. This is emotional bullying; like the high school jock calling a girl a lesbian for not accepting to dance with him.

It doesn’t occur to them – or they want to avoid accepting the possibility – that one can reject a religious system precisely because one has studied it through and through, but finds it spiritually objectionable, morally deficient, historically flawed and logically full of holes.

I promise, you will be amazed and astounded with what you find.

There’s nothing amazing and astounding in that book. It’s even an insult to the human intellect.

What do I want to find astounded with verses about rocks falling down in fear, Allah’s golden cow, sun sinking in the stream, meterors being thrown at jinn, an ant and Hoopoe bird talking to Solomon, semen being formed in the vertebra, the moon being splitted, a Jesus who escaped the cross and other outlandish claims that can only be found in a poorly written fiction for children?

I assure you that those who perpetrate violence/terror in the name of Islam, are not muslims.

That “they are not muslims” card has been overused. It’s time you guys cut it into pieces and threw it away.

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Its a lie, you have not read the Qur’an. Neither have you studied the hadiths. If you have, you would quote expressly where hate and violence is sanctioned just to spite every muslim.

You will buttress your points with verses and bash me in the face with facts, rather than tender these same worn out, threadbare arguments.

I don’t have to respond to you in accordance with your expectations. I don’t have to bash anyone in the face with facts, after all, your initial claim was that I was ignorant of your religion and you presumably know better.

It’s empty barrels that make the loudest of noise. Knowledgeable people are not always in an impulsive fit to bully people into accepting what they say.  That was your expectation, but I’m above that.

It was Sigmund Freud who first proposed what psychologists call “projection.” It’s an ego defense mechanism that propels a person to attribute their own negative (and positive) traits to others. For instance, when a person is a self-serving narcissist, he also sees others as narcissists. It’s a windscreen syndrome.

When a person lacks the internal capacity for telling the truth, even in the simplest of matters, he will be quick to label others as liars. He will find it difficult to take people’s words for it because truth is the farthest thing from his own mind.

When a man is intellectually insecure, emotionally immature and lacking in self-confidence, he will have an overwhelming urge to “overcompensate” by always wanting to throw his weight around or preening to impress the public with the shallow stuff he owns or knows.

Taju, I’m sorry I don’t fit into that box you are familiar with. I’m not interested in impressing you or anyone, I am more interested in presenting the truth. However, you are welcome to read my two-part article, Islam: the Religion of War (one and two) where I quote copiously from your authoritative texts.

In any case, you can still bash yourself in the face with facts by picking up your Quran and reading it and noting the violence taught in it.

Too many people, like you, have been thoroughly brainwashed by the vociferous and fully loaded ‘islamaphobia industry’. Their knowledge of Islam is at best third hand. Certainly not a direct intellectual enquiry.

Really? Well, such banal, pablum drooling scribblings are getting real old. I’ve had it up to my chin. That’s another distraction: poisoning the well. First you say I’m completely ignorant of Islam, next you accuse me of having a third hand knowledge of it.

Somehow, you pit yourself as some omniscient guy who implictly knows the nature and extent of what I have read.

The truth is, you can’t deal with the fact that I reject Islam because it’s false and destructive, so you try to make up all sorts of wild scenarios in your head about me to cement your malformed worldview. The whole world doesn’t revolve around you and your religion.

Speaking of “islamophobia,” you are deploying a worthless term like “homophobia,” used by liberals for smearing others. We are not “phobic” of Islam, we reject it, period. And you are very much welcome to interrogate our reasons for rejecting it rather than hiding behind stupid slogans.

But you see, your hatred of Islam is your personal choice. But it does not change its meaning and essence, which millions have discovered through the centuries.

But you see, your hatred of Christianity is your personal choice. But it does not change its meaning and essence, which millions have discovered through the centuries. And in this case, for at least five centuries before Muhammad arose in Arabia.

When people pout the word jihad without even knowing its meaning, I laugh. You don’t know what Jihad means, but I can tell you for free, it is aeons away from fighting or killing.

Yeah sure. Because you say so. Why don’t you “buttress your points with verses and bash me in the face (not literally, of course) with facts, rather than tendering these worn out, threadbare arguments” mouthed by lying Islamic apologists?

And too bad for those who think otherwise. Because they are ignorant. You don’t even know jack about the prophet of Islam.

You haven’t demonstrated anything of the sort, you have only given me an autobiographical window into the state your soul. Your barks are far out proportion to your bites. Since you have failed to persuade those who read this, you have to resort to blustery and bombastic words.

You are free to refute any of these articles

The Sex Life of the Prophet

Islam and Sex Slavery

The Tongue of the the Prophet

The Cruelty of the Prophet

The Wickedness of the Prophet

The Miracles of the Prophet

The Prophet and his Demons

The Danger of Blind Belief

A Tiptoe through the Hadiths

Allah, Satan and the Hadiths

The Cult of the Slave Masters

Islam: the Demise of Love

Please read books written by both enemies and friends of Islam, then you will be illuminated.

Did you just say I should read books authored by enemies of Islam? I thought you earlier said that I have “been thoroughly brainwashed by the vociferous and fully loaded ‘islamaphobia industry'” who lack “intellectual enquiry” and whose knowledge of Islam is third hand?

Politics has found its way into religion across board. The terrorist are not Muslims. To you that is a cliche, to us it a living fact.

Alright, bring those living facts along and refute these

The Two Faces of Islam

The Seed of Jihad

It doesn’t really matter what you think. Islam has stood the test of time. It will still be here when we are all gone.

You should be more concerned about Islam’s fraudulent “plan of salvation” and where it is taking you when you leave this earth.

This is the problem, you guys have been indoctrinated into seeing yourself so intertwined with Islam that you take it as a personal offence when it is questioned. But faith is supposed to be personal. You should be more concerned about how your investigation of Islam will affect you as a person, rather than how it will affect the public image of Islam which you have been conditioned to uphold.

I challenge you yet again to read the Qur’an

Your challenge has been met years ago. Here is an example.

Salamu Alaikum brother Victor. Peace and blessings of God be with you.

And also with you.

An Exchange on Unbroken Racism and Rebecca Yoder’s Heresies

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After my previous post on Unbroken Racism, Fanaticism and Paranoia, one of Rebecca Yoder’s loyal fans named SaintAdama, responded on Facebook and I replied to his comments. Eventually, it thinned out to a monologue (just as I predicted).

I particularly welcomed his critique because he’s a guy who follows my page and appears to be knowledgeable.

Aside that, he will be the first individual to come to Rebecca Yoder’s defense since 2016 when I began to openly expose the pair on this blog.

His words appear in blue.

Well, I have personally read about 4 of Rebecca Brown’s books and I do not see anything wrong with them. Though I am yet to read unbroken curses. I think you may be over reacting.

I have a copy of “He came to set the captives free” here. Please can you mention the pages where she refer to the African-American couple as Mr and Mrs Black or Negro? Let me check it.

If you don’t see anything wrong with any aspect of her book, then you need to check your discerning level. Even back then when I was her loyal fan, I found some of her stories hard to relate to.

If you have not read Unbroken Curses, then you can’t be saying I’m overreacting.

The part you asked for is in chapter 19 titled Straight Talk To Those Who Want to Come Out of the Occult. It’s also available online.

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[Responding to another commenter]:

No! She is not too conscious of demonic activities. I think anyone who is not called into a ministry as she is called will find it hard to understand her.

She is called into HARD CORE spiritual warfare. This involves intense battle with demonic forces and in this battle, you would need to be able to discern spirits and that is why one of the gift of the Holy Spirit is DISCERNMENT … I have found her teachings to be scripturally sound.

You see SaintAdama, I will appeal to you to apply that discernment you speak of.

I once read about a case of a food vendor in the streets of New York who sold a bagel and cream cheese sandwich with a cockroach in it. Would it kill his customer? No, but it will cause problems.

Imagine someone telling that customer to ignore the bug in his food and focus on its sweet taste. That’s the issue with false teachings. Not all of them kill, because they are often mixed up with ice cream.

To be clear, Rebecca Brown had some things right. I can even say that she got a clearer perspective of certain issues than some pastors. But that doesn’t mean everything she taught is true or biblical.

In fact, I have stated it over and over that I will not recommend her book for any new Christian because they also contain some damaging statements, misinterpreted bible verses, contradictions, fictitious claims, demonic obsession and full-blown paranoia.

I still remember the level of mistrust her book, Becoming a Vessel of Honor put in my heart at the age of 16.

I have documented these in my previous post and a three-part series and this [latest] one.

Read it first, check out what is being discussed, then we can dialogue. Let’s not be closed minded. Otherwise, what will be achieved will be a mutual monologue.

Her book: Becoming a vessel did not put any mistrust in my heart. I agree with you that her book should not be recommended for a New Christian because her books are certainly not for baby Christians. They are for the matured who are capable of handling strong bones and deep things.

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I read the post twice to actually understand what the fault is. But I have not read her book titled: Unbroken Curses. The ones I have read are : Becoming a vessel of honor (in the master’s service), Prepare for War, He came to set the Captives free and Standing on the rock. These are the four of her books that I have read so far. And presently I have the last 3 of them listed in the house here.

If I am to judge by the quotes extracted from her book (Unbroken curses) as given in the post, personally I didn’t see anything wrong with what she said about Africa except that she did say all of it. What I mean by “she didn’t say all of it” is that she seem to be ignorant of the fact that the Western powers are also complicit in many of the violence and wars that have ravaged the black continent.

Apart from that, I do not see how wrong she is in saying that the whole continent of Africa is Characterised by tribal warfare

Absolutely wrong. The vast majority of North Africa was conquered by Arabs. The southern region and several other countries were held in the tight grip of colonial powers. The people had to fight to be free.

that each tribe is consequently ruled by demon gods

Such as? Let’s start with Nigeria. It has no less than 200 ethnic groups. Please, tell me the demon gods controlling each one and how you came to realize this marvelous truth.

because the people of Africa have never broken away from the sins of their forefathers

That’s completely untrue. And you as an African ought to be more informed about your own continent than a sequestered Westerner writing from the Ozarks mountains of Arkansas.

Can you compare the level of idolatry in any state in Nigeria with what was described 50, 60 or 100 years ago when the colonialists first landed on our shores?

How many pagan shrines are still standing and being patronized? How many adherents of paganism do we have in South Western Nigeria alone?

that the whole history of Africa has been incessant warfare and massacres among tribes

Unfortunately, that statement trades on the ignorance of folks who assume Africa is a country rather than a continent.

Can you speak of the whole history of Nigeria alone and conclude it’s of tribal warfare? No. Then you can’t speak for the whole of Africa consisting of many countries.

The sins of the fore fathers which she claim the Africans have not broken from is simply IDOLATRY. Is this not true?

Not at all. That’s why you ought to have read the book first or read the [post] carefully. She said sins (plural). She referred to them as “demon worship and hatred and warfare” (p. 32).

I argue that such sins are also in the West, East, North and South of the world. Why are they not dying like flies like “cursed” Africa? Are you following my gist? Please do.

I know how rampant the worshipping of idols were in my hometown before the light of Christianity came to my land.

Yes. Which gives a lie to the statement that “The people of Africa have never broken away from the sins of their forefathers.”

And how can there be CHRONIC IDOLATRY in the land without that land becoming a STRONG-HOLD of demonic entities? How?

That’s a question for her and her fans. You already said there isn’t any more chronic idolatry even in your home town, so tell me how we are still being wasted by our tribal gods – even regarding African Americans in the U.S.

Every land given to idolatry becomes heavily infested with demonic presence. The idols our fore fathers worshipped were actually demon gods.

The same goes for America, Europe and Oceania. So no Westerner should reduce idolatry to Africa when it was well established in every ancient culture.

In some place, apart from tribal gods, there are also clan gods and also family gods right down to personal or individual gods. Each tribe, each clan, each family, each person have his/her own idol which represent demon gods.

Well, I don’t see them. We know people used to cleave to them, but that is no longer the case as you admitted earlier. So let’s educate ignorant non-Africans who still view us with the eyes of the past.

Did you know that Islamic insurgency played a big part in the war in Somalia which Rebecca Brown was referring to? So how is that also the work of African tribal gods when Allah has dominated the public space?

So what Rebecca said about tribal gods is true.

Not true, as I have shown. She doesn’t blame the pagan gods of Wicca, Masonry or New Age movement for violence among the white race, why did she feel convenient to do the same for Africans?

Is the Jesus that saved us different from the Jesus that saved the whites?

As I type, if you go to some parts of Nigeria now, you find tribal war going on. I heard that the Urhobos and Itshekiri don’t interact, always fighting.

And that’s somehow the fault of tribal gods? No? Could those fights be due to communal land dispute? Political clashes? Religious intolerance? Conflicting traditions? Bitter competition? Is war always monocausal and pinned to idols?

One of Nigerias biggest problem is tribalism. So what she said about tribal wars is also true.

No, you are conflating two different things. Tribalism is a real problem, but not tribal warfare.

When was the last time thousands of Igbo fought and killed thousands of Hausa? Do the Yoruba murder Fulani in wars? What about the Bini and Nupe, do you hear them chanting war songs?

We might be intolerant, to a degree, but not in the way Rebecca characterizes us. White-on-white murders also occur in her America but people don’t attribute it to the clash of pagan deities. Why?

One thing we need to understand is that the idols worshipped by ancestors are demon gods and demons are not peace makers but war mongers. They can trigger war anytime, anywhere, ANYHOW.

But since we have broken with many of those idols, discarded their corpus and many of their servants have turned to the Lord Jesus, their influences (should) have diminished. Rebecca Brown is out of touch and irrational.

If the ancestors of a particular tribe have dedicated the whole tribe in their service to an idol (demon god), you can be sure that that demon has a legal right to keep operating in that tribe down the line of generation and every curse associated with that also follows.

So that’s why blacks are killing blacks in America. Very interesting. Whatever happened to redemption.

Curses are simply negative demonic effects and influences.

Agreed.

Let us put aside racial bias and be honest with our selves.

I’m afraid, that’s a message the Yoders may need to have tattooed on their foreheads.

Personally, I think the reason why the African continent is backward in terms of development and prominence has to do with the Curse Noah placed on Canaan the son of Ham.

That was what some racist western preachers said, but they are wrong. You are a well-read guy, I don’t expect you to fall for that hogwash.

We know that the Sons of Noah are the ancestor of every nation in the world today. And I believe that Africans descended from Canaan.

No. Africans have never descended from Canaan.

So it doesn’t surprise me that Africans are behind the Europeans and Asians im terms of development and advancement.

But many of the Asians are more devoted to idols than us.

Could it be that we have vision-less leaders and myopic followers? Could it be selfishness? Corruption? Faulty structures? Injustice? Please don’t let’s spiritualize what humans have caused with their own hands

Some will argue that Africans were once upon a time dominating the world. That is true. But what happen that Africa now seem to be perpetually relegated to the background?

Of course, when folks share Rebecca Brown’s unbalanced thinking that idols of centuries ago are still holding us back in spite of decades of persistent spiritual warfare, they will keep being relegated to the background.

I wonder if you are even aware of current scales of development in Rwanda, Kenya and South Africa. Their tribal gods are not strong enough, I guess.

Yes, the Europeans came and did this and that and colonised and over took. Whether what they did was good or bad, is inconsequential. What matters now is that Africa has been conquered and dominated for so long. That is the effect of a curse.

Well, African leaders are the ones conquering and dominating their own people. Mugabe and Omar Al-Bashar are two recent examples.

Since 2008, out of 13 heads of state who have died in office, 10 are Africans. Our joke of a democracy allows leaders to sit tight in office as if it’s an autocracy, loot the treasury and eventually die in a foreign hospital. But no, let’s blame those nasty curses on Ham.

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Do you mean to tell me that demons, principalities and powers do not influence the daily life and affairs of a person or group of people? Is that what you are saying?

No, that’s not what I’m saying. They influence the lives of the unsaved, but that’s not the original argument made in Rebecca’s book which is the point of dispute.

She said both Christians and non-Christians are dying in Africa because of the sins of their forefathers.

That tribal gods are wasting us because they are controlling us here and abroad. That is part of what I’m objecting to.

By the way, you can tag me in the previous posts which you want me to read. Let me read and know what misinterpreted bible verses, contradictions, fictitous claims, paranoia and demonic obssessions you are talking about. Thanks.

Here they are: one|two|three|four

The content of the first article you shared looks so familiar. I have seen it on Google search results when I was looking for Rebecca Brown’s book.

When I saw it, I thought, well, Satan is not going to sit around and do nothing against Rebecca for taking his captives.

Satan will unleash the might of his forces both humans and spirit against anyone who threatens his domain. And there are many ways he does that.

Whenever I see all such criticism against her, I recall that her books has challenged me to draw much closer to God and to be extremely serious with my relationship with God.

She challenges me to study my bible more, pray more…etc. And on that note, I mark her as a true servant of God.

What you just said now is the argument people use to protect a false teacher they have come to love and become loyal to.

If you replaced the word “Rebecca” with “Rev. King” and a host of them, nothing would change in your comment.

To those who follow Ellen White, Charles Russell, Joseph Smith or Norman Vincent Pearl, every question levied against their teachings or bad actions – no matter how rational, biblical or factual – is dismissed as an attack from Satan.

He/she has rescued captives from Satan, so he must stand up and use people (including yours truly) and spirits to discredit him/her.

If this is your best answer to all that has been presented, then that’s fine. But I’m somewhat disappointed. I know you are more keen than that.

But let me say, Rebecca Brown’s books helped me too … but that doesn’t make Rebecca a true servant of God. Why? Because even a bad person can show you the right way. Yes, her books still did much damage.

We know of people who have been rescued from their past life of crime by Jehovah’s witnesses, Mormons and even Santeria. But does that make those religious groups true? No!

I started to question her ethics when I found out that there’s nothing really new in the good she wrote. She too, read Christian books and gave out what she had gleaned from them.

See, the name of Jesus will always work; the Word of God will always work even if the vessel is apostate.

Nothing Rebecca and Daniel wrote makes them “experts”. Most of their stories have been discredited biblically and factually.

If they are telling the truth, let them come out and defend themselves, but first apologize for those glaring lies and false accusations against their critics.

It’s not Satan that’s trying to stop Rebecca and Daniel Yoder. It’s Christians who want the truth and nothing but the truth who are putting off her books (even Jack Chick who worked with her did, after seeing the evidence mounting).

I pray you too realize what I did.

The biblical test that we may use to catch false teachers is clearly stated in the bible and emphasized by Rebecca Brown.

1 John 4:1, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

The sure test for any spirit or prophet is in their testimony or teaching about Jesus. If you apply the test to Jehovah’s witness, they will fail. If you apply it to RCC, they will fail. If you apply it to Santeria, Mormon etc they will all fail.

But Rebecca passes it.

Sighs. This isn’t working. This guy parrots Rebecca Brown too much to reason through this exchange.

He doesn’t realize that the “criterion” Rebecca gave was self-serving. I pointed out in one of the posts linked to above that the real test of a true spirit or prophet is the harmony of their teachings with Scripture.

He dismissed all the arguments I presented and skipped over the many problems with his hero’s life and teaching. There’s no way to go with this.