After my previous post on Unbroken Racism, Fanaticism and Paranoia, one of Rebecca Yoder’s loyal fans named SaintAdama, responded on Facebook and I replied to his comments. Eventually, it thinned out to a monologue (just as I predicted).
I particularly welcomed his critique because he’s a guy who follows my page and appears to be knowledgeable.
Aside from that, he will be the first individual to come to Rebecca Yoder’s defense since 2016 when I began to openly expose the pair on this blog.
His words appear in blue.
Well, I have personally read about 4 of Rebecca Brown’s books and I do not see anything wrong with them. Though I am yet to read unbroken curses. I think you may be over reacting.
I have a copy of “He came to set the captives free” here. Please can you mention the pages where she refer to the African-American couple as Mr and Mrs Black or Negro? Let me check it.
If you don’t see anything wrong with any aspect of her books, then you need to check your discerning level. Even back then when I was her loyal fan, I found some of her stories hard to relate to.
If you have not read Unbroken Curses, then you can’t be saying I’m overreacting.
The part you asked for is in chapter 19 titled Straight Talk To Those Who Want to Come Out of the Occult. It’s also available online.
[Responding to another commenter]:
No! She is not too conscious of demonic activities. I think anyone who is not called into a ministry as she is called will find it hard to understand her.
She is called into HARD CORE spiritual warfare. This involves intense battle with demonic forces and in this battle, you would need to be able to discern spirits and that is why one of the gift of the Holy Spirit is DISCERNMENT … I have found her teachings to be scripturally sound.
Saint Adama, I will appeal to you to apply that discernment you speak of.
I once read about a case of a food vendor in the streets of New York who sold a bagel and cream cheese sandwich with a cockroach in it. Would it kill his customer? No, but it will cause problems.
Imagine someone telling that customer to ignore the bug in his food and focus on its sweet taste. That’s the issue with false teachings. Not all of them kill, because they are often mixed up with ice cream.
To be clear, Rebecca Brown had some things right. I can even say that she got a clearer perspective of certain issues than some pastors. But that doesn’t mean everything she taught was true or biblical.
In fact, I have stated it over and over that I will not recommend her book for any Christian because they also contain some damaging statements, misinterpreted bible verses, contradictions, fictitious claims, demonic obsession and full-blown paranoia.
I still remember the level of mistrust her book, Becoming a Vessel of Honor, put in my heart at the age of 16.
I have documented these in my previous post and a three-part series and this [latest] one.
Read it first, check out what is being discussed, then we can dialogue. Let’s not be closed minded. Otherwise, what will be achieved will be a mutual monologue.
Her book: Becoming a vessel did not put any mistrust in my heart. I agree with you that her book should not be recommended for a New Christian because her books are certainly not for baby Christians. They are for the matured who are capable of handling strong bones and deep things.
I read the post twice to actually understand what the fault is. But I have not read her book titled: Unbroken Curses. The ones I have read are : Becoming a vessel of honor (in the master’s service), Prepare for War, He came to set the Captives free and Standing on the rock. These are the four of her books that I have read so far. And presently I have the last 3 of them listed in the house here.
If I am to judge by the quotes extracted from her book (Unbroken curses) as given in the post, personally I didn’t see anything wrong with what she said about Africa except that she did say all of it. What I mean by “she didn’t say all of it” is that she seem to be ignorant of the fact that the Western powers are also complicit in many of the violence and wars that have ravaged the black continent.
Apart from that, I do not see how wrong she is in saying that the whole continent of Africa is Characterised by tribal warfare
Absolutely wrong. The vast majority of North Africa was conquered by the Arabs. The southern region and several other countries were held in the tight grip of [western] colonial powers. The people had to fight to be free.
that each tribe is consequently ruled by demon gods
Such as? Let’s start with Nigeria. It has no less than 200 ethnic groups. Please, tell me the demon gods controlling each one and how you came to realize this marvelous truth.
because the people of Africa have never broken away from the sins of their forefathers
That’s completely untrue. And you as an African ought to be more informed about your own continent than a sequestered Westerner writing from the Ozarks mountains of Arkansas.
Can you compare the level of idolatry in any state in Nigeria with what was described 50, 60 or 100 years ago when the colonialists first landed on our shores?
How many pagan shrines are still standing and being patronized? How many adherents of paganism do we have in South Western Nigeria alone?
that the whole history of Africa has been incessant warfare and massacres among tribes
Unfortunately, that statement trades on the ignorance of folks who assume Africa is a country rather than a continent.
Can you speak of the whole history of Nigeria alone and conclude it’s of tribal warfare? No. Then you can’t speak for the whole of Africa consisting of many countries.
The sins of the fore fathers which she claim the Africans have not broken from is simply IDOLATRY. Is this not true?
Not at all. That’s why you ought to have read the book first or read the [post] carefully. She said sins (plural). She referred to them as “demon worship and hatred and warfare” (p. 32).
I argue that such sins are also in the West, East, North and South of the world. Why are they not dying like flies like “cursed” Africa? Are you following my gist? Please do.
I know how rampant the worshipping of idols were in my hometown before the light of Christianity came to my land.
Yes. Which gives a lie to the statement that “The people of Africa have never broken away from the sins of their forefathers.”
And how can there be CHRONIC IDOLATRY in the land without that land becoming a STRONG-HOLD of demonic entities? How?
That’s a question for her and her fans. You already said there isn’t any more chronic idolatry even in your home town, so tell me how we are still being wasted by our tribal gods – even regarding African Americans in the U.S.
Every land given to idolatry becomes heavily infested with demonic presence. The idols our fore fathers worshipped were actually demon gods.
The same goes for America, Europe and Oceania. So no Westerner should reduce idolatry to Africa when it was well established in every ancient culture.
In some place, apart from tribal gods, there are also clan gods and also family gods right down to personal or individual gods. Each tribe, each clan, each family, each person have his/her own idol which represent demon gods.
Well, I don’t see them. We know people used to cleave to them, but that is no longer the case as you admitted earlier. So let’s educate ignorant non-Africans who still view us with the eyes of the past.
Did you know that Islamic insurgency played a big part in the war in Somalia which Rebecca Brown was referring to? So how is that also the work of African tribal gods when Allah had dominated the public space?
So what Rebecca said about tribal gods is true.
Not true, as I have shown. She doesn’t blame the pagan gods of Wicca, Masonry or New Age movement for violence among the white race, why did she feel convenient to do the same for Africans?
Is the Jesus that saved us different from the Jesus that saved the whites?
As I type, if you go to some parts of Nigeria now, you find tribal war going on. I heard that the Urhobos and Itshekiri don’t interact, always fighting.
And that’s somehow the fault of tribal gods? No? Could those fights be due to communal land dispute? Political clashes? Religious intolerance? Conflicting traditions? Bitter competition? Is war always monocausal and pinned to idols?
One of Nigerias biggest problem is tribalism. So what she said about tribal wars is also true.
No, you are conflating two different things. Tribalism is a real problem, but not tribal warfare.
When was the last time thousands of Igbo fought and killed thousands of Hausa? Do the Yoruba murder Fulani in wars? What about the Bini and Nupe, do you hear them chanting war songs?
We might be intolerant to a degree, but not in the way Rebecca characterizes us. White-on-white murders also occur in her America but people don’t attribute it to the clash of pagan deities. Why?
One thing we need to understand is that the idols worshipped by ancestors are demon gods and demons are not peace makers but war mongers. They can trigger war anytime, anywhere, ANYHOW.
But since we have broken with many of those idols, discarded their corpus and many of their servants have turned to the Lord Jesus, their influences (should) have diminished. Rebecca Brown is out of touch and irrational.
If the ancestors of a particular tribe have dedicated the whole tribe in their service to an idol (demon god), you can be sure that that demon has a legal right to keep operating in that tribe down the line of generation and every curse associated with that also follows.
So that’s why blacks are killing blacks in America. Very interesting. Whatever happened to redemption.
Curses are simply negative demonic effects and influences.
Let us put aside racial bias and be honest with our selves.
I’m afraid, that’s a message the Yoders may need to have tattooed on their foreheads.
Personally, I think the reason why the African continent is backward in terms of development and prominence has to do with the Curse Noah placed on Canaan the son of Ham.
That was what some racist western preachers said, but they are wrong. You are a well-read guy, I don’t expect you to fall for that hogwash.
We know that the Sons of Noah are the ancestor of every nation in the world today. And I believe that Africans descended from Canaan.
No. Africans have never descended from Canaan.
So it doesn’t surprise me that Africans are behind the Europeans and Asians im terms of development and advancement.
But many of the Asians are more devoted to idols than us.
Could it be that we have vision-less leaders and myopic followers? Could it be selfishness? Corruption? Faulty structures? Injustice? Please don’t let’s spiritualize what humans have caused with their own hands
Some will argue that Africans were once upon a time dominating the world. That is true. But what happen that Africa now seem to be perpetually relegated to the background?
Of course, when folks share Rebecca Brown’s unbalanced thinking that idols of centuries ago are still holding us back in spite of decades of persistent spiritual warfare, they will keep being relegated to the background.
I wonder if you are even aware of current scales of development in Rwanda, Kenya and South Africa. Their tribal gods are not strong enough, I guess.
Yes, the Europeans came and did this and that and colonised and over took. Whether what they did was good or bad, is inconsequential. What matters now is that Africa has been conquered and dominated for so long. That is the effect of a curse.
Well, African leaders are the ones conquering and dominating their own people. Mugabe and Omar Al-Bashar are two recent examples.
Since 2008, out of 13 heads of state who have died in office, 10 are Africans. Our joke of a democracy allows leaders to sit tight in office as if it’s an autocracy, loot the treasury and eventually die in a foreign hospital. But no, let’s blame those nasty curses on Ham.
Do you mean to tell me that demons, principalities and powers do not influence the daily life and affairs of a person or group of people? Is that what you are saying?
No, that’s not what I’m saying. They influence the lives of the unsaved, but that’s not the original argument made in Rebecca’s book which is the point of dispute.
She said both Christians and non-Christians are dying in Africa because of the sins of their forefathers.
That tribal gods are wasting us because they are controlling us here and abroad. That is part of what I’m objecting to.
By the way, you can tag me in the previous posts which you want me to read. Let me read and know what misinterpreted bible verses, contradictions, fictitous claims, paranoia and demonic obssessions you are talking about. Thanks.
The content of the first article you shared looks so familiar. I have seen it on Google search results when I was looking for Rebecca Brown’s book.
When I saw it, I thought, well, Satan is not going to sit around and do nothing against Rebecca for taking his captives.
Satan will unleash the might of his forces both humans and spirit against anyone who threatens his domain. And there are many ways he does that.
Whenever I see all such criticism against her, I recall that her books has challenged me to draw much closer to God and to be extremely serious with my relationship with God.
She challenges me to study my bible more, pray more…etc. And on that note, I mark her as a true servant of God.
What you just said now is the argument people use to protect a false teacher they have come to love and become loyal to.
If you replaced the word “Rebecca” with “Rev. King” and a host of them, nothing would change in your comment.
To those who follow Ellen White, Charles Russell, Joseph Smith or Norman Vincent Pearl, every question levied against their teachings or bad actions – no matter how rational, biblical or factual – is dismissed as an attack from Satan.
He/she has rescued captives from Satan, so the enemy stands up and uses people (including yours truly) and spirits to discredit him/her.
If this is your best answer to all that has been presented, that’s fine. But I’m highly disappointed. I thought were sharper than that.
In a way, Brown’s books helped too but that doesn’t make Rebecca a true servant of God. Why? Because even a bad person can show you the right way. Yet her books still did much damage to me.
We know of people who have been rescued from their past life of crime by Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons and even Santeria. But does that make those religious groups true? No!
I started to question her ethics when I found out that there’s nothing really new in the good she wrote. She too read Christian books and gave out what she had gleaned from them.
See, the name of Jesus will always work; the Word of God will always work even if the vessel is apostate.
Nothing Rebecca and Daniel wrote makes them “experts”. Most of their stories have been discredited biblically and factually.
If they are telling the truth, let them come out and defend themselves, but first apologize for those glaring lies and false accusations against their critics.
It’s not Satan that’s trying to stop Rebecca and Daniel Yoder. It’s Christians who want the truth and nothing but the truth who are putting off her books (even Jack Chick who worked with her did, after seeing the evidence mounting).
I pray you too realize what I did.
The biblical test that we may use to catch false teachers is clearly stated in the bible and emphasized by Rebecca Brown.
1 John 4:1, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”
The sure test for any spirit or prophet is in their testimony or teaching about Jesus. If you apply the test to Jehovah’s witness, they will fail. If you apply it to RCC, they will fail. If you apply it to Santeria, Mormon etc they will all fail.
But Rebecca passes it.
Sighs. This isn’t working. This guy parrots Rebecca Brown too much to reason through this exchange.
He doesn’t realize that the “criterion” Rebecca gave was self-serving. I pointed out in one of the posts linked to above that the real test of a true spirit or prophet is the harmony of their teachings with Scripture.
He dismissed all the arguments I presented and skipped over the many problems with his hero’s life and teaching. There’s no way to go with this.