Weighing the Grail Message: Wrong Courses?


If there is an obvious fact that one gets from reading some chapters of the Grail message, it’s that its author tapped into his vivid imaginations and was influenced by a quirky spirit. Predictably, those who soak in these writings also have their thoughts reconfigured to work that way.

A regular feature of Grail materials is the destructive condemnation of Christianity, hence the need to examine the biblical and epistemological basis of their antagonism and (hopefully) correct some misconceptions.

To this end, some of the claims made in the Grail Message, vol. I, ch. 17 entitled “Wrong Courses,” will be analyzed:

“With few exceptions, mankind labour under a boundless delusion which is fatal for them!”

That, right there, is elitism – one of the alluring tools of religious cults. The prospect of belonging to a select “few exceptions” unlike billions of other people is always appealing.

This is how cult leaders gain much following. They make their followers feel “special” by constantly emphasizing that they have been chosen as part of a small group of elites that have been liberated from boundless delusion through esoteric knowledge.

Their thoughts and feelings are constantly stoked. The mixture of being charmed and made to feel special is a cocktail that so intoxicates followers that they readily believe and do things they ordinarily would not.

“God has no need to run after them and beg them to believe in His existence. Nor are His servants sent out forever to admonish people on no account to turn away from Him. This would indeed be absurd. To think and expect such things is a dishonouring and debasing of the sublime Godhead.”

Indeed, “for since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature -have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse” (Rom. 1:20).

God doesn’t have to force mankind to believe in His existence, but in several places in scripture, God invites mankind to seek Him and pleads with His people to return to Him. He sent many prophets after His people whenever their hearts departed from Him (2 Sam. 12:13; Jer. 3:17; Ezk. 33:11; Zech. 1:3; Mal. 3:7).

The Lord Jesus also lovingly pleads with people to come to Him (John 5:40; Matt. 23:37). He gave to Christians “the ministry of reconciliation” to call mankind back to God from the dominion of Satan and sin (2 Cor. 5:18).

“This erroneous conception causes great harm. It is fostered by the behaviour of many truly earnest pastors who, out of a real love for God and men, try again and again to convert people who turn only to material things, to convince them and win them over to the church.”

Apart from the disjointed nature of his lines, Oskar is switching horses in mid-stream. He is blaming pastors for the materialistic tendencies of those won over by the church.

By transposing a universal moral flaw onto a specific group of men, he intends to poison the well – to create a very negative image of pastors in a bid to appeal to the prejudice of his readers.

His choice of words regarding pastors who “convert” people and “win them over to the church” betrays a man who has a dim understanding of biblical Christianity.

The preaching of the Gospel results in people being convicted and converted by the Holy Spirit (cf. Acts 2:36-37). They become the disciples of Christ, not a putty in the hands of a church. Some ignorant or mischievous folks might have done that, but it’s not a Biblical precept.

Mr Oskar obviously spent too much time in detention and relied on hearsay, or the spirit(s) inspiring him was just off the charts.

Perhaps, the crave after material things was used as bait in some German churches during the Great Depression of the 1930s, so Ab-dru-shin extrapolated that incident onto all churches. In any case, we expect his readers to know better.

“Thousands upon thousands feel a certain inner satisfaction, an exaltation, in the consciousness that they believe in God, that they utter their prayers with such earnestness … and they sense a being linked with God, of Whom they also think at times with a certain sacred thrill that produces or leaves behind a state of bliss, in which they revel. But these legions of believers take the wrong course. Living happily in a self-created delusion.”

Thousands upon thousands? Did this man take a poll, survey or collect a data of religious people and their spiritual experiences? Was he privy to the inner states of a multitude? How then did he arrive at this assertion?

Notice also the vagueness in his descriptions. Who are these “believers” and what do they believe? Are they Christians? Muslims? Hindus? Taoists? Druids? Do they all pray to the same God? Unfortunately, no sufficient identification was provided.

This is a psychological chess game of sorts. An aggregation of mystical twaddle – replete with terms like “sacred thrill” and “state of bliss” – is thrown at the reader who is expected to just lap it up and adapt the subjective experience to his own religious persuasion.

The chapter’s title itself – Wrong Courses – presupposes that other paths are wrong, though they seem to be right. So, this puts both the knife and cake in the hands of guru Oskar. He has set himself and his system up as the arbitrate by which all spiritual courses are to be judged.

He then sits on his throne and declare legions of believers guilty of living in a self-created delusion without convincingly demonstrating that himself and his followers are not included in that very category.

“Their petitions are demands, their inner being hypocritical. They will be swept away like empty chaff before His Countenance. They will have their reward, certainly, but it will be different from what they imagine … The feeling of well-being will rapidly disappear on passing into the Ethereal World.”

Not only has the author blurred the boundary lines between reality and imagination, worse still, his illusion has supplanted his imagination.

We need to ask: what makes his course right and the Christian course wrong? How does he define “right” and “wrong” and why should his definitions be accepted? How did he determine what is “true” or “false”? And more importantly, why should Christianity be considered wrong and his Grail spirituality be considered right?

His followers can answer these questions on his behalf and polish his apples if need be. But let none of them think they can threaten Christians into kissing the ring of guru Oskar with the blast of his impersonal deity.

“[God] will calmly abandon to the Darkness all the wicked, even all the wavering ones, so that those who are striving upward shall no longer be exposed to their attacks; enabling the others thoroughly to experience everything they consider to be right, and thus come to the recognition of their error!”

In other words, those who readily put their heads beneath the toes of Mr Oskar are allegedly ascending, while those who waver, those who question his claims and scrutinise them with the Word of God are the ones who will be left down in darkness.

These are creative performances of self-protection from threatening opposers that all cult groups espouse. But such threats cannot displace the strong confidence that Christians have in the Rock of Ages (Rom. 9:33).

Virtually all ancient cultures, whether Greek, Roman, Celtic or Egyptian, had some sort of mystery religion. Although these groups were called by different names in different parts of the world, they all had certain elements in common.

The basic features of this pagan mystery religions are:

1. Polytheism (a belief in many gods or goddesses) or pantheism (a belief that God is the universe) or panentheism (God permeating every element of the universe).

2. A cyclical view of history (the belief that there are eternal, repeatable cycles of life – reincarnation).

3. The veneration or worship of the regenerative processes of nature (sex) as the “sacred mystery.”

This contrasts with Biblical Christianity, which holds to:

1. Monotheism (belief in one God).

2. A linear view of history (the belief that time has a beginning and an end, and that God has intervened, is intervening and will intervene in the history and affairs of mankind).

3. The worship of God through His Son Jesus Christ.

The Grail spirituality fits with these ancient religions rather than Christianity. That’s why no true Christian can be a Grail adherent. He/she will have to follow one and reject the other.

In Volume I, chapter 24 titled “Indolence of the spirit”, Ab-dru-shin spews more of his venom against what he imagines to be Christianity:

“And this main weakness of the souls was love of ease, the indolence of their spirit!

“The church knew very well that it was bound to achieve great success as soon as it showed much leniency towards this weakness, and did not require it to be overcome!

“Anything so incredible can only be possible with thoughtless people of herd mentality, who by such action brand themselves with the mark of the greatest spiritual indolence … What does a man give to his God by obedience to the church! He does not have with it a single, natural intuitive urge, which alone can help him to ascend.”

Before I respond to this flawed argument, I need to point out that whenever this man (and his followers) use the word “church”, they always read into it their Mephistophelian imagery of a gang of evil men enslaving and corrupting thousands of innocent souls.

This tends to resonate with those who have been disgruntled by certain people in churches. They fail to make any distinction between those who truly know the Lord and those who don’t.

But they want us to believe everyone in the Grail movement is sweet, kind and peaceful (actually, the feedback I get from these folks show a contrary, disturbing picture).

Without missing words, a certain Grail adherent wrote:

All religious organizations have always feared giving power to the people by preaching spiritual independence which will make members use there [sic] own God-given abilities to understand the Word and thus reduce the power and influence of these religious organizations and leaders if not make them totally irrelevant.”

He is merely regurgitating what his grand master said above. He makes references to “the Word” but doesn’t tell us whether he’s alluding to the Bible or the Grail message.

Ah, yes, he knows what all religious organizations (except his own) fear because Ab-dru-shin the Great has told him their deepest secrets.

This statement, and what Oskar himself wrote, further lends credence to the occult philosophies undergirding the Grail message.

In Satanism, Satan or Set is believed to typify the alienation of man from creation. Therefore, a Satanist is expected to rebel against and reject conformity with institutions. He must be able to wield his own occult powers alone.

For those in groups like the Church of Satan and Temple of Set, Satan represents self, so they worship, follow and please their ‘self.’ “Herd conformity” is one of Anton LaVey’s Nine Satanic Sins, and a repeated critique that Satanists have of Christians.

Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) was a man who had much influence on 20th century satanic thought. His criticism of the “herd mentality” became one of the philosophical bedrocks for Satanism’s criticism of “herd mentality.”

Nietzsche believed that: “Every superior human being will instinctively aspire after a secret citadel where he is set free from the crowd, the many, the majority” (Beyond Good and Evil, England: Penguin, 1990, p. 57).

Ironically, being “free from the crowd”, being part of “a superior few” or “striving for ascent” are the tools cult leaders deploy to pump their followers full with destructive arrogance which prevents them from seeing where the journey really leads.

The Christian, for Nietzsche, is “the domestic animal, the herd animal, the sick animal man.” (Twilight of the Idols and The Antichrist, England: Penguin, 1968, 128).

This is exactly what we read from Mr Oskar and his followers. Evidently, the dark spirit behind Satanism is also the same spirit that inspired the Grail message. It’s the spirit of the lone or desert goat.

While Bible Christianity denounces blind following (1 Cor. 7:23), it is based on denying self and following Jesus Christ. Jesus said, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me” (Lk. 9:23).

He also declared, “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart; and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matt. 11:29).

To be a Christian entails following Christ as Lord. Christianity is not a self-intuited path, it’s Christ’s path!

The Bible uses the metaphor of sheep and shepherd to convey what it means to follow Christ. The yoke of the Shepherd must lead you in the Way. The ideas of self-mastership, cultivating powers using your intuition or being “a freethinker” are from the devil.

There are only two courses: the narrow Way of Christ which leads to eternal life and the broad path of Satan (which encompasses various false religions, alternative spirituality, and philosophies) which leads to eternal destruction.

From the Shack to the Dungeon

When The Shack was published by William Paul Young in 2007, it struck a chord in the hearts of many Christians. By the following year, it had gained an unexpected meteoric rise as a cultural phenomenon. This past year, it was adapted into a movie, to bring its message to a universal audience.

The book was summarily about Mackenzie Philips, a father, who after his daughter’s abduction and gruesome murder, spirals into a deep depression that causes him to question his innermost beliefs. He became unwilling to trust the God he knew before who appeared to have abandoned him in the time of need.

After receiving a mysterious letter from “Papa” (his wife’s pet name for God), inviting him for a meet up at a shack in the woods where Missy was abducted, he meets four characters:

  • God (“Papa”) who is a matronly African American woman who cooks and dispenses words of wisdom and hugs.
  • Jesus, a clumsy Jewish young man who loves gardening.
  • The Holy Spirit, who is a Japanese girl named Sarayu (a Sanskrit word meaning “wind” and also the name of a Hindu river).
  • Sophia, a not-too-veiled reference to the Greek goddess of wisdom before whom Mack stood to be judged about his life.

While at the shack, Mack learns some truths. His “Jesus” is quoted saying:

God, who is the ground of all being, dwells in, around, and through all things…” (The Shack, Windblown Media, 2007, p. 112).

Those who love me come from every system that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims … I have no desire to make them Christian, but I do want to join them in their transformation into my sons and daughters of my Papa, into my brothers and sisters” (p. 182).

The first quote from this false Jesus teaches panentheism while the second espouses flagrant universalism. This is not a mere work of fiction; it’s an agenda-driven book.

The Shack carries a message that is in tune with the worship of the “divine feminine” and it appeals to many hurting people who want God in their own form.

In the movie, “Papa” tells Mack that he had to appear as a woman to him because he couldn’t yet handle a male figure. Notably, some years later, the novel’s author, Paul Young admitted that the story is related to his past. Missy represented his innocence that died at childhood and Mack represents him as an adult, trying to deal with that childhood pain.

Young said he was raised by an unloving, distant father and was sexually molested by several older boys in boarding school as well as several men while in Papua New Guinea where his father worked as a missionary. He felt let down by conventional Christianity and the God of the Bible, so he embraced another God – a diluted version of God; a feminized god.

During a lecture held in June 2010 at Concordia University in Portland, Oregon, Young told his audience that “the God of evangelical Christianity is a monster.” He was referring to the evangelical belief that God is a God of judgement and will judge the unbelieving.

So what we have here is a man who has rejected the God of the Bible for a false God that might heal the pain of his fans but will certainly damn their souls.

Moulding God into our image and likeness to better comfort us is the very definition of idolatry. Like A. W. Tozer said, “The idolater simply imagines things about God and then acts as if they were true.”

God is who He is; His nature and character will not change to make us feel better. “I the Lord do not change…” (Mal. 3:6). He is I AM THAT I AM (Ex. 3:14). He will not appear as Pan, Sango, Astarte or something He is not to appeal to the felt needs of the heathen. Truth takes precedence over true healing.

Jesus didn’t appear to the woman at the well in a woman’s form because she has had problems with several men. He didn’t appear to the adulterous woman as a female because she had been betrayed and maltreated by religious men. He didn’t appear to the woman with the alabaster box as a female because she had been abused by men.

In this fallen world, we will always experience pain and losses – much of which we will have no understanding of or explanations for – but instead of converting God into a spiritual drug to deal with our pain and losses, we can simply walk through them with faith in God. We “trust in the LORD with all [our] heart and lean not on our own understanding” (Prov. 3:5).

The Shack, however, presents to its readers a spiritual panacea deity, one stripped of justice, immutability and holiness. It offers many a trinitarian idolatrous hybrid god that represents whatever will make them feel better about their horrible tragedies. It’s the same concept underlying the visualization and guided imagery utilized by the Inner Healing movement.

If for example, you were sexually abused when you were young; instead of leading you to the cross where Jesus took away our pain, shame and guilt, they will tell you to imagine yourself going back to your childhood and visualizing Jesus coming to you to comfort you and take your pain away. And of course, after some time, this false Jesus takes on a life of its own.

William Young’s next book, Eve, re-told the story of Adam and Eve. It turned up the heat with the proverbial frog in the kettle. It was a book laden with Kabbalistic, occultic and Gnostic themes that would be readily embraced by the Contemplative/New Age movement.

In Young’s non-fiction book, Lies We Believe about God, his Universalist beliefs were clearer: “Every human being you meet … is a child of God” (p. 206). Death doesn’t result in final judgement but simply introduces “a restorative process intended to free us to run into the arms of Love” (p. 187). Therefore, hell isn’t a separation from God, but simply the pain of resisting salvation we have and can’t escape.” (p. 137)

In the light of the Bible, universalism (“all paths lead to God”) is a lie of the devil (John 3:18; 10:7; 14:6; Acts 4:12; Rom. 6:23 etc.). It is the philosophy of the last days that the final antichrist will use to build his one-world religion.

Recently, Eternity News published an article about Young sharing content of an interview that it conducted with the writer as it discussed his part in the new documentary “The Heart of Man” and some of his beliefs:

I think that Jesus is both our salvation and rightful judge, but that judgment is intended for our good, not our harm.” He continues, “I think there is an ongoing relational confrontation between the One who knows you best and loves you best. Potentially forever and, potentially, you could say ‘no’ forever. How someone could do that I don’t know, but definitely that tension is held in Scripture for sure.”

There are a number of lies here. Hebrews 9:27 says it is destined for man to die once and after that face judgement. This judgement is not “an education day” as Jehovah’s Witnesses and other false religionists like William Young teach. There is no other chance for those who have died without repentance.

The Bible also tells us that both heaven and hell are eternal destinations (e.g Matthew 25:46); once you are there, you are there. “For if the words spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation?” (Heb. 2: 2-3).

Our realization of what awaits the unsaved is the reason “we try to persuade men” to receive Christ. There is no salvation, pardon or cleansing after death. Thus, “now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation” (2 Cor. 5:11; 6:2).

Young has no problem disseminating his poisonous heresies because he has already introduced a false god; he is merely building on the foundations of that warped theology.

When people reject God as He is revealed in the Bible, the next logical step is to reject what He has also said about how to be saved and that implies a rejection of what He has said about eternity.

Through his books, he has succeeded in presenting a dark occult goddess, Sophia, to a generation that is all too keen to worship God as a female figure and is willing to sacrifice truth for whatever resonates with their inner cravings.

The most devastating loss that can ever befall one is to die in a deception. There’s no remedy forever. I pray that William Young and his millions of benighted fans will become truly saved and come to the knowledge of the truth before it’s too late.

A Dawagandist Off the Street

It’s been some months since I engaged Muslims in Facebook groups, but I recently joined one to get a bit entertained with the fox house arguments Muslims build against Christianity and the Bible. I weighed in on a discussion between one Abubakar and another Christian. As it always turns out in such debates, the Muslim’s barks are far out of proportion to his bites.


Abubakar: Ok give me the verse where God himself say that Christianity is his religion? Because as far as I know the name Christianity was first used in Antioch, as we read in the Bible: Acts (11:25,26):

“Then departed Barnabas to seek Saul; and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.”

Who had given [them] this name? Neither God nor Jesus. We can mention the following points concerning the name ‘Christianity”:
* The name does not bear the authority from God or from Jesus.
* It was given by the Jews and pagans in Antioch (a city in the then Roman Empire), i.e by foes rather than by friends.
* The name was given after Jesus had left this world.
* The name was used derogatorily, as determined by historians.

So where [did] God himself said this is your religion? In Quran: the religion Islam is given by none other than God Himself “…This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (5:3). And this is the true religion ISLAM.

Victor: Who made up the rule that the name of followers of a person (or a religion) must have to be exactly given by God or Christ to be valid? Does the name “Islam” have the authority of God or Christ?

It was given by the Jews and pagans

Based on what they observed. They saw “the grace of God” in the lives of the people (Acts 11:23); they saw them live out Christ in teaching and action. That is what makes one a Christian. It’s just the same way Muslims today emulate Muhammad in thinking, dressing and action.

What’s amusing is that the same stone where pagans worshipped their demon gods for centuries is the same one Muslims travel to kiss and sacrifice to today. But you have been conditioned to only attack Christianity.

in Antioch (a city in the then Roman Empire)”

One more proof you don’t have a clue of what you’re saying. Antioch “was situated on the east bank of the Orontes River about 27 kilometres from the Mediterranean Sea and 485 kilometres north of Jerusalem” (Nelson’s New Illustrated Bible Dictionary, 1995, 80).

The name was given after Jesus had left this world

But He’s still alive! Big difference. Christ is still alive and He lives in us and changes us to be like Him. Whereas, Muhammad is dead and has remained dead and no Muslim can claim to have a relationship with him. The Quran was collected after his death; he never saw a copy. The hadiths were also made up after his death.

If Muhammad were alive today, which sect of Islam would he approve of? The Sunnis? The Shi’ites? Nation of Islam? Ahmadiyya? Sufism? Which school of fiqh would he endorse? The Hanbali? Maliki? Hanafi? Shafi? Jafari? Will he be part of the Qaedanis [those who strictly adhere to predestination] or the Jabrians [those adhering to free will]?

In Quran: the religion Islam is given by none other than God Himself”

Such a narrative can only work in the mosque. There is no proof that the person speaking in the Quran is God (apart from the many embarrassing blunders in it), unless you want to tell me God speaks as Abraham in one place, as Muhammad or Mary elsewhere, as jinn in a whole chapter and as Satan interspersed all through. Such a “god” must have a multiple personality disorder.

That Sura 5:3 is speaking of meat forbidden for Muslims and the Arabic word there is “islaami” which means submission. At the time this was recited, Islam had not become a fully developed or identifiable religion.

Is that verse implying Islam didn’t become “perfect” until Muhammad came? Where does this “perfect” Islam exists? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Iran? Pakistan? Syria?

If this perfect Islam only exists in your heads and has never existed in the last 14 centuries, then it is time to lay off your pipes and admit that the speaker in the Quran lied. He fooled you.

Abubakar: So simple, just give a verse that Christianity is from God? You can say what you like to say to the Quran because you are Mushrik [idolater]. As far as I can say Quran is believed and Islam is embraced by One third of the World.

So if you believed your Bible, we do also much believed in the Holy Quran. In Quran Allah said “…This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (5:3)

If we compare to your Bible, did God say there clearly that Christianity [is from Him]? Even “Bible” is not mentioned in the Bible, because Bible do not belong to the Book of God. So I can say it is a Book made by man, like Christianity a man made [religion] by Jews and pagans in Antioch. Sunnis, Sufis, Shias, Ahmadiyya etc are not new words from Islam. The Prophet said there will be a 71 or 73 sects all in Hell except the One Islam followed by the Prophet and his companions.

Victor:a verse that Christianity is from God”

This line of argument is fallacious. First of all, Islam came 6 centuries after Christianity, so it’s Islam that has the burden of proof to demonstrate it came from God, not the Christian Faith before it. Second, we can turn the tables around and ask you to show us one verse in the Quran that says “Christianity is not from God.”

because you are Mushrik

The same way your rants against Christianity carry no weight because you are “dead in your transgressions and sins” and you follow “the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air” (Eph. 2:1, 2).

Quran is believed and Islam is embraced by One third of the World

Let me rephrase that: the Vedas is believed and Hinduism is embraced by one sixth of the world.

In Quran Allah said…

Wait a minute, you haven’t yet demonstrated who is speaking in the Quran. For example:

“How can I have a son when age hath overtaken me already and my wife is barren?” (Sura 3:40) – Is it Allah speaking here?.

We come not down except by commandment of thy Lord. Unto him belongeth all that is before us and all that is behind us and that is between these two” (Sura 19:64). – Is it Allah speaking here?

“All praise is due to Allah the Lord of the Worlds … Master of the Day of Judgement. Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. Keep us on the right path” (Sura 1:2-5) – Is it Allah praying here?

“Lo! We even we are they who set the ranks. Lo! We, even we are they who hymn his praise.” (37:166) – Who is speaking here? Is Allah a multitude?

Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or miss the mark!” (2:286) – Is Allah praying to himself or a superior Allah?

To say the word “Bible” must be mentioned for the Bible to be divine is just like saying: “The Quran is a book of God because it mentions itself” or “The book of Mormon is a book of God because it mentions itself.” I had thought by now reasonable Muslims would have seen the emptiness in this statement, but I’ve learnt not to set up high hopes regarding Muslims think tanks.

Christianity is a man made by Jews and pagans

Which is a statement you will have to prove right now, otherwise you are a liar.

the Prophet said there will be 71 or 73 sects all in Hell except the One Islam

What a hopeless system. So a person will embrace Islam, believe in Allah and Muhammad, practice all the rites of Islam abide by all its laws and still end up in hell because he followed one of 71 or 73 sects of Islam! Tell me, which of the sects of Islam today is the real “one Islam” Muhammad and his companion followed?

The last time I checked, he didn’t name anyone and all through the centuries, Muslims have fought, murdered and cursed one another because one party accuses the other of not belonging to the “one sect” that Muhammad approved.

Interestingly, Islam has splintered into over 150 sects and sub-sects, with each group happily settling their differences with bullets, bombs and daggers all over the world. They even blew one another’s heads off at Muhammad’s grave in Medina this year! What a cherry, loving religious brotherhood you’ve got there.

Abubakar, which Islamic sect do you belong to? The Salafists? Tijaniyya? or ISIS? How do you know your own version of Islam is not one of the hell-bound ones? If only Muhammad was alive today. I’m sure he would have denounced you all since he never saw the Quran or the stuffs attributed to him in the Hadiths.

Abubakar: Very long statement but no clear answer to my post. Why cannot accept that Christianity was first made and used by Jews and pagans in Antioch and no authority from God nor Jesus.

Victor: “Why [can’t you] accept that Christianity was first made…by Jews and pagans”

Because it’s an incredibly false claim based on conjectures and baseless assumptions and you too know that you can’t back it up. It is a rhetoric that works well on the naive; a sort of stuff people pick up from gossip tabloids. The onus is on you to prove that statement. Until then, this discussion is over.